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Albert

Is this fighting really about legal and human rights, or just about the endless cultural fight between liberals and conservatives trying to force their values down everyone’s else’s throats?

Even if same sex marriages were not allowed, nobody’s forcing gays to get rid of their partners. You could also still legally protect the rights of gay couples by giving them basically the same rights as the married men and women have. Maybe not the same cultural status as marriages have - but that would be difficult even if gays have a right to marry.

If there already are married gay couples in California, those unions couldn’t be made illegal just like that because of this or that proposition. Probably those unions would be changed to registered partnerships that could guarantee practically all the same rights as marriages do. It is about legal details of laws, not about a name that is used for a certain kind of union between same or opposite sex partners.

As to culture and values related to marriage, and which ever way the Proposition 8 goes, you simply cannot change the values and long traditions of other people easily.

You have to realize that a majority of people, throughout the whole world, still believe and will believe that a marriage is primarily an institute meant for heterosexual couples, who can also make children if they so wish. It is not discriminating to think so, and people have every right to such values as much as gays have rights to their values - as long as they respect others and give them their freedom to live their lives as they wish.

Children are a rather natural part of traditional marriages, even if some married couples may not have kids. You have to remember the rights of children too when discussing marriage and related laws. Would it be ok, if all gay couples were allowed to adopt children? Or would a family where there would be both a mother and a father still be considered better than a gay couple? Can gay marriages really be equal to heterosexual marriages in that respect?

Many specialists see that ideally children should have both a mother and a father, a male and a female role model in the family. In a natural, biological family that is also always the case, but not in a homosexual family, how ever good those gays might be with children. In that sense a gay family that has children can never be considered a natural family, I’m afraid.

Gay couples and families are and will be considered different from heterosexual couples and families, what ever name people may use of them (marriage, registered partnership or what ever). Why should they be considered just the same legally? Since when has sexual freedom become the ultimate human right in our society that goes before anything else in a society, including children’s rights to have both a mother and a father?

Sue

Check out this anti-homophobia, pro-gay marriage song that won the Grand Prize in the John Lennon International Songwriting Contest.
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The song is called "The Honeymoon is Over"

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